George Bernard Shaw once said, "I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig, you get dirty; and besides, the pig likes it." This is usually my policy when dealing with people who are completely set in their ways. If there is nothing I can say to change their minds, why waste my time and breath arguing. However this post from Hot Dads got me inspired to write, even though I am not trying to change the author's mind.
If you scroll down to Southern Sage, he makes some comments about parenting and stay at home parents. To sum up, he basically says that if there is not one parent with the children 24/7 than the child is not going to turn out as well, and that parents should not put their need for silly luxuries like a second car or a pool before their kids.
As someone who considers herself a damn fine mom and a person who works outside the home I greatly object to this theory. The reality is that for many families that second income is not to cover luxuries like a pool or toys, but to pay the mortgage, buy food, and maybe, just maybe put aside a little for retirement or a college education for those children.
Could Hubman and I eke out a living on his salary alone? In the part of the country that we have to live in for his job, not really. But that is not the only reason I work. I also work not only to contribute financially to support our family but because I find my work satisfying and stimulating.
Even the most fulfilled Stay at Home Mom will admit that there are days that she wishes she was in the workforce if for nothing else that they can have lunch and pee in peace. I also believe if pressed many SAHM's will admit that they left the workforce because the workforce was not accommodating to the balance they needed to manage both children and career as opposed to an overwhelming desire to be home with the kids.
Are there days I wish I was home? Occasionally when work stress gets to me, or I have a bad day, but I know that I am at my best for the kids with the way I am. When I am at work, I am at work, and when I am home the children get my undivided attention. And when the kids go to bed.... well you can go visit Hubman to hear about what happens then.
One of the other reasons I work is that even if Hubman promised me today that if I stayed home that he would always support me and keep me in the standard of living to which I have become used to. (Name brand cereals, and the occasional vacation) I still would not do it. I have seen enough of several economies to know how fragile financial security is. Also in my line of work I often see the rude surprise waiting for people who are trying to re-enter the workforce after taking off 3, 5, 10 or more years. Its not very pretty.
Also money is power and money is freedom. Knowing that if God forbid Hubman couldn't work, I could support the family. Or if worse came to worse and he died or left me that I could support me and the children on my own is comforting.
Even though people pay a lot of lip service to the contributions of a SAHM, when the going gets tough there are not a lot of people walking the walk. I have seen too many times that when someone wants out in a marriage with a SAHM, all of a sudden 'our money' becomes 'my money that you spend' and the contributions that have always been praised, no longer seem to matter.
As far as the inherent quality of parenting, for every SAHM that does wonderful and enriching educational activities with the children all day, there are just as many that plant the kids in front of the TV and let Noggin provide their education.
I am not knocking SAHM's. I am pleased to count many of them as friends and readers. However to say that someone who stays home is inherently a better parent than I am because I work is hogwash. (SAHM's please feel free to comment. I am wearing a flame retardant suit)
I never believed in the so called 'culture wars' that pitted the SAHM's against the mothers who work outside the home. I always felt it was a bunch of drivel to distract us moms (and dads) from real problems with schools, like the fact that we have to sell crappy wrapping paper to afford books and supplies, or that recess and Physical Education is being cut so since our kids are not getting enough exercise to burn off steam they are getting medicated instead.
I also know from personal experience that day care is not bad for children. Both Princess Persistent and Darling Boy have been in daycare or after school care since they were three months old. They have both been fortunate enough to attend the same daycare company that I used to work for.
My children's daycare has heated floors in the infant room and tiny potties in the toddler room. The sleeping areas are separate than the play areas and they are surrounded by educational toys and supplies that enrich their learning. All of their teachers have had criminal records checked in EVERY state they have lived in, and are drug tested. They are also licensed by the state, certified in 1st aid and CPR and many of them have degrees in elementary education or early childhood education. Each of my children has had the same teacher for several years in a row, and have NEVER had a teacher leave during the year.
They are also the girls that sit for us when we go out at night.
My center provides breakfast, lunch and three snacks daily. They also do laundry if my child spills juice on her clothes, or gets them very dirty on the playground. They have a covered outdoor play area as well as a regular outside play area and large indoor play spaces so they can be active even in the most inclement weather.
My child has an organized curriculum that involves gross and fine motor skills, literacy skills and social skills. PP can say hello in four different languages and count to 30 in English and 25 in Spanish. She also knows all of her letters and has an extensive vocabulary.
My children are neat, polite and very sweet. When they finish eating they bring their plates to the sink and put their dirty clothes in the hamper and have been doing so since they were 18 months old.
Also once I got past the 1st three years, Darling boy has missed exactly one day of school in the past six years. Its because he got to build his immune system from a young age.
I tend to get angry when people just lump a group together and disparage them. Dual working families have been around since the dawn of time and are not going away any time soon.
I am now stepping off my rant box. Have a pleasant day!
Hubman: Veronica asked me to read this and comment as I saw fit. I really have nothing more to add and think that she did a great job tackling this issue. She really is the mostest awesomest mommy!
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VERY well written and I certainly couldn't agree more. As much as I enjoy reading Sage and think he's a good person, he's very set in his (stone age) beliefs. He tends to think that his way is THE way and any other ways are wrong.
I think it takes a certain type of woman to be a good SAHM. I mean, anyone can stay home with their kids. Just staying home with them doesn't mean shit, really.
I know several SAHM who ended up putting their children in daycare part time. Why? To get that social interaction which is necessary to forming a well rounded child.
He forgets that even though women work, the majority of us are still putting our children first. Who leaves work when the school calls? Mom. Who takes the day off when you wake up with a sick kid? Mom. (in my house it was that way so don't take this personal, Hubman) I've gone on every single field trip Ethan's had. I've chaperoned every single thing that I could when the school's asked for chaperones.
My son will ALWAYS be first in my life and my #1 priority and to suggest that because I work, I'm not making him my main priority, well that's fucking asinine.
And what happens to the mom when the kids go to school? UGH!
Oh, sorry. This is YOUR blog, not Sage's. I'm going to go give him a piece of my mind.
Anyway, great post! Obviously I agree with you.
(will make this short)
I have found that our values and ethics translate to our (young) children by observation, and while I am not a mother, but a step-mother, I do see SD strive to be more than 'female' because she can observe women in the workforce. This is just one example of the intrinsic benefits of having both (or all, in this case) parents working - I've seen the spoiling of children with SAHM - and though it's only my experience, I would never want my child growing lazy/dependent because a parent is there to pick up for them.
(just my 2 cents...)
You do make great points. I stayed home with my children for nearly 5 years. My oldest was 20 months old when the youngest was born. I stayed home, in my mind because of money, but looking back now, I know I did it out of guilt and pressure from my family. I enjoyed the time with the kids, but I absolutely thought I'd lose my mind. We did lots of outside activities and met up with other moms with children. I craved adult conversation. It was during that time that I decided to go back to grad school at night, which I'm certain is what preserved my sanity. Right before my youngest turned 5 I went back to work. I truly think I'm a better mother working. I also want to set a good example for my girls in that moms can be great moms and still have careers, do things for themselves, contribute.
My career did suffer for sure, even with the extra degree. I'm only now (5 years later) approaching the salary I left when I became a SAHM, not to mention the lost retirement, seniority, etc.
All in all I'm glad I did it. It was the right thing for me, but it isn't for everyone. It's disappointing to me to sometimes see women judge each other so harshly. Being a mom is tough business no matter what. We should lift each other up, support each other.
OH and I LOOOOOOVE the title and it's meaning. You're awesome!
Hmmmm ... GREAT topic!
I agree with both you and Sage, which is an odd place. Ideally, I do believe it is best for one parent to stay at home with children until the begin school full time ... BUT ... that's assuming the parent staying home is capable and willing to provide a nurturing, enriching environment for the children AND that the working spouse is willing to be fully supportive of the arrangement. How many times have you seen that happen?
If I'd have lived in my perfect world, I'd have stayed home with Cam until he entered 1st grade. I do believe many (not all) parents allow others to spend a great deal of time raising their kids - from daycare centers to schools - then they wonder why the kids didn't turn out the way "they raised" them to be. Well ... did "they" really raise the kids?
As in much of life, this is all about balance and healthy adult relationships. Children will not flourish in a home with a SAHM or SAHD if the one staying home doesn't want to be there, is not capable of nurturing children and/or is not supported in that position.
Each family is different - each child is different - there are too many variables to make such sweeping generalizations.
Do I believe a SAH parent is best for small children? Absolutely! Do I think it's the only way to raise happy, healthy, intelligent children? Even I'm not that small minded!
Love it and you nailed every argument surrounding SAHM and Working Moms. Each has a JOB per Se, but the working mom will yield a tangible asset. SAHM's like myself were not always SAHM's. I was a STRONG and STOUT career woman, I had worked since I was 14 years old, but I was presented with a situation where I had to stay home at first. I am seeing this situation of SAHM that were once working moms more and more. Financial constraints, medical conditions, seem to be reasons for moms and DAD's to stay at home with the kids. While this does breed a healthy environment, if the parent is unsure how to balance this new "healthy" lifestyle the whole family suffers.
Staying at home to care for the children can also be hurtful to the children if they are not properly weened, separation anxiety at an older age, socialization skills, a whole gamut of issues. My oldest Big G was in daycare from 7 weeks to the time he was almost 3, he had very little issues with separation anxiety and social skills. The boy knew his colors, could count, much like PP. Now, he flourishes in school, he can speak quite a bit of Spanish, count to 100 and higher, read, all as a kindergartner. I think daycare did my boy wonders as he was able to learn to socialize and interact with other children and adults at a young age.
I know adults who cannot interact that productively!! I also think that if you want to work GREAT!! If you want to stay home FANTASTIC, each situation will yield and promote different results based on the environment. To lump all moms, working and homemaking is complete minutiae!
Love the post my friend, way to stand up on that soap box, I think many moms and women alike will stand up on that box with you!!
Karie
Ugh...I hate the whole SAHM/WOM debate. Both sides make strawman arguments (If you stay home you'll could end up destitute with spoiled kids who don't know how to pick up, and if you work the kids will end up addicts that don't know their real parents.)
The fact is happy parents make happy kids. Living a dogmatic life that requires a person to set aside what makes him or her fulfilled will end poorly. And yes, there are plenty of moms on BOTH sides of the issue that would probably be happier doing the opposite.
When individuals start trashing the choices of others I realize that it often comes from discomfort at some level with their own choice. For those that support SAHP it may be their own fear about loss of status due to less income. WOHP get defensive then told they are not good parents.
Like the swingers who claim that swinging marriages are the only happy ones, anyone who claims that SAHP/WOP is a one size fits all proposition are really saying more about their own insecurities and overly dogmatic approach to life than anything else.
AMEN!
Love the post...you rocked it!
I think I want to move t your neck of the woods just to use your daycare center! Ours is good, but yours sounds exceptional!!
I have worked in my career for 15 years. Before that, I began working summer jobs and after school jobs when I was 15 years old so that I could but the things that teenagers say they cannot live without. Having worked for more than half my life, it would be strange for me not to work!
Are there times when I wish my children did not go to daycare? Sure, but I know they are safe, well fed, making friends, and having fun. I do not have an enormous play structure in my backyard, nor do I have the space for a drama center, an art center, a mini library, or a bevy of math manipulatives in my family room. Daycare offer those things on a daily basis to foster their development.
We are a dual income family by necessity, and It helps that I like what I do (most of the time)
Thanks for the well written post, ASM!
I had a stay at home father and I went to the french kindergarten system as soon as I hit 3 months. I would never, ever disparage the amazing work stay at home parents can do, nor would I accuse parents like my mother who thrives at work of being neglectful and bad parents. Honestly, a child can tell when an adult is not enjoying spending time with it. It's difficult enough being a parent today, what with constant blaming from the media and pressure to create geniuses, without adding to this stress. Do I want children? I don't know, but I do know I want flexibility to stay at home if I want to, work part-time or work full-time.
HSMom nailed it for me..
So, ditto her comment!! :):)
FYI: I've written a post about this and linked to your post.
Full disclosure: I am not a parent. :)
I was going to say what a few other people touched on and that is that having happy, fulfilled parents is a good thing for the kids. If that means working, good. If that means staying at home, good. If that means working out some hybrid of the two, good. It's about what works best for you. Kids know when you're unhappy (same goes for staying in an unhappy marriage for the sake of the kids, in my opinion).
Well, as a newly minted single parent, and a dad instead of a mom to boot (for those who don't know, I will simply say that I am now a full time single parent and there will be no visitation for my child to go see another parent). I will keep this in mind and see how well I do with it. I didn't get a choice in the matter, so I will just have to be the best parent I can possibly be for my child.
I can say that DB and PP are wonderful, well rounded, well behaved, polite, beautiful children!! Dont let it get to you, Ive been on both sides of the fence (SAHM & working mom) and sometimes that 2nd income is a necessity!
Coming in more than a little late to this. But, I have to say that the role of the Stay at Home Mom seems to be a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. On the one hand you are entrusting a significant portion of the care and upbringing of your child to another person. This is a scary prospect and one of the most difficult decisions Emmy and I ever faced. On the other hand, by staying at home with the child a parent (be they man or woman) runs the risk of having their entire identity wrapped up in their child. believe it or not. Women are more than just moms!
A respect the stay at home mom who devotes her entire day to the care and upbringing of her child. But I am especially impressed with the woman who is able to not only devote time to her child, but also to a career as well. That is truly a feat!
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